80-96-list-digest Monday, May 18 1998 Volume 02 : Number 177



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - FTE 80-96-sway bars
Re: FTE 80-96 - Diesel vs. 460
Re: FTE 80-96 - Sweek
FTE 80-96 - Re: FTE80-96-sway bars
Re: FTE 80-96 - Ford Truck's And All There Problems!!!!!
FTE 80-96 - Re: 302 needs more power RRRR
RE: FTE 80-96 - Diesel vs. 460
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Pigeon Forge Report
FTE 80-96 - RE: High Altitude PSD vs. Cubes
Re: FTE 80-96 - Bio/ Diesel Vs. 460
FTE 80-96 - New License Plates
FTE 80-96 - F250
Re: FTE 80-96 - New License Plates
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Milestone
Re: FTE 80-96 - Seatbelt Strangulation
Re: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Milestone
Re: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Milestone

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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 05:53:06 -0700
From: rokkinhorse webtv.net
Subject: FTE 80-96 - FTE 80-96-sway bars

Casey,if you have a F-250,you should also have the 44HD.As far as I
know,the dana 44 was a 1/2 ton differential.The heavier load rating and
8 lug pattern was the Dana 44HD for our year trucks.I just went through
this deciphering on mine,too.If memory serves,the Dana 50 (also an IFS)
type front differential wasn't available til later than 85. I drive mine
on the logging roads here also in SW Washington; especially during
Deer/Elk season,but all year long for recreational purposes.My pickup is
my vehicle of choice for this activity due to the increased ground
clearance and limited-slip rear differential.Besides that,I don't want
to scratch up the Bronco;at least til the SOBs paid for:-)


Randy
94Bronco EB-5.8 85 F-250 4x4-460
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 08:58:35 -0400
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Diesel vs. 460

That's not 100% fair though. Gasoline engines are greatly more affected by high
altitudes than diesels. Me personally, I prefer the big gasser. Mainly because I do
a good deal of daily driving with no or a light load. It's nice to stomp the peddle
and get going quick. I also live 800ft above sea level.

BTW, I don't know what the factors were involved but when I purchased my 97 F250, the
same truck with the 460 was rated to tow more (slightly) than the PS.

Chad

Ryan Dorman wrote:


> I was and always will be a big block fan, but the honest truth is that if I
> were to buy a new 250/350 I would have to go for the diesel,, and no the
> 460 will not outpull the powerstroke,It'll keep up (until the load gets
> ridiculous). I have driven both equally loaded up and over an
> 8300 foot mountain pass (13 miles of wich are 8% or steeper grade --Teton
> Pass Wyoming)
> and the powerstroke gets the win everytime...
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 09:01:30 -0400
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Sweek

Popping noise?

Jason DiSalvo wrote:
>
> Guys, every time I stop, trun to left or right I here a a noise. >
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 06:03:31 -0700
From: rokkinhorse webtv.net
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: FTE80-96-sway bars

Casey,no problem on the sway bars.I was the one who inquired about
them.I think the list member who suggested the means to put on the
"disconnectors" had the best idea.I don't blame you,I would keep them
too:-)


Randy
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 08:25:05 -0500 (CDT)
From: Robert Fox
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Ford Truck's And All There Problems!!!!!

Ditto. A friend of mine has a full size Ch&vy /w a 350ci and he has
paper shims where the trim is loose.

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95 SuperCab 2.3L, SVO OHC Ranger
86 Convertible 302 LX Mustang
79 Loaded LTD 400M
63 Willys Jeep 140
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On Sun, 17 May 1998, Ken Payne wrote:

> > that stay on I don't want one of there vehicles in my possesion. My plans
> > are to buy a 1993-1994 Chevrolet K 1500 silverado. Does anyone know the
> > whole story behind the lugnuts?
> > Matt Hemming
>
> The whole story is you obviously believe all the stuff the
> media feeds you! 34 trucks out of 1.5 million have
> had this problem reported. It all started because of some
> reporters looking for dirt and problems where there isn't
> one.
>
> Buy the Silverado, and just wait... it'll only be a
> matter of time because the trim starts falling about and
> the body rattles.
>

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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 08:57:40 -0600
From: "Victor P. Erwin"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: 302 needs more power RRRR

>
>I have a 1988 F-150 with a 5.0 in it.
>I am wanting to know if anyone has put in a Mustang 5.0 chip in their
>computer and had good results?? This is a early '88 and uses the truck
>block and not the mustang block, 98% sure on that one.

I wouldn't buy a standard chip for anything. If you want a chip that works,
you need to have one burnt custom for your setup. The Mustang and truck
motors are too different, cam, intake, and I'm sure the computer, to put in
a chip designed for a Mustang.

>Also my EGR valve is going out and I wonder would this effect my mileage
>greatly and any power loss?? Been this way for a good year.

don't know about this. But I'd get a new one.

>And also I am considering greatly doing a new engine buildup after
>summer. I am planning on a 347 stroker with World products heads, trw
>aluminum pistons, good quality gaskets and rings, polished and ported
>upper intake (if not to much $), bigger lb/hr fuel injectors, high flow
>fuel pump, shift kit in tranni or new one (auto), and positrack out back
>or a new 9" with 3.2something or 3.50 or 3.55 gears. Also headers and
>true dual exhaust with flowmaster mufflers.

This is nearly a copy of what I have planned. I'm going to be using the old
heads off my Mustang (more porting and bigger valves), and maybe the
Stang's cam. FMS is supposed to be coming out with a $1200 347 kit - at
least that's what I've been told.

You'll also want to do a MAS conversion, or get a chip burnt for the speed
density for your exact combo.

Also make sure to get the good (not paper) header gaskets. I just went
through this w/my car - and you're not going to want to change those things
every other week.

>Anyone done anything like this?? Pros/cons?? Whats best for the money??
>anyone do a good build up that they can share with me?? and cost. Any
>help and all help would be VERY appreciated. This would be my first
> engine build and want it PERFECT with decent gas mileage while cruising
>and SUPER performance to blow away those pesky chevys and beat me.

The combo I'm talking about will give me at or near 300hp with excellent
torque. Mine is going to become a tow/second vehicle so pulling power
matters to me, not MPG. I was originally going to do a 351W swap, but it'll
end up nickle and diming me to death, and a 347 will be enough power.

These trucks are heavy, so you want to make sure you're going with a cam
that'll have more a torquier profile than a hp profile. Or go with much
quicker gears.

In the meantime, you can do the gears. The 3.5Xs are a good choice. Then
I'd do a MAS or the exhaust (then the other). Next do the intake. Options
here are a Saleen/Vortech upper (I think they're designed for the truck
lowers - and if it's true, my route), extrude hone the stock, Edelbrock,
Holley, or a GT-40 or Cobra.


-Vic
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 11:55:15 -0400
From: "Stephen Barclay"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Diesel vs. 460

I just looked over the 97 Towing Guide and the 460 is not rated higher in
any of the categories but it dose however rate the same, GCWR that is, as
the PowerStroke equally equipped with a 4.10 rear end. I purchased a '97
F250HD with the 351 last December and I have monitored the gas mileage very
closely, pitiful if you as me, range is from 7.5 (Snow Plowing) to 11.8
(Highway). The average is somewhere about 11 mpg. I have test drove one of
the new '99 PowerStroke trucks and was very impressed. The next one will
definitely be a diesel.

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From: owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com
[mailto:owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com] On Behalf Of Chad Royse
Sent: Monday, May 18, 1998 8:59 AM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Diesel vs. 460

That's not 100% fair though. Gasoline engines are greatly more affected by
high
altitudes than diesels. Me personally, I prefer the big gasser. Mainly
because I do
a good deal of daily driving with no or a light load. It's nice to stomp
the peddle
and get going quick. I also live 800ft above sea level.

BTW, I don't know what the factors were involved but when I purchased my 97
F250, the
same truck with the 460 was rated to tow more (slightly) than the PS.

Chad

Ryan Dorman wrote:


> I was and always will be a big block fan, but the honest truth is that if
I
> were to buy a new 250/350 I would have to go for the diesel,, and no the
> 460 will not outpull the powerstroke,It'll keep up (until the load gets
> ridiculous). I have driven both equally loaded up and over an
> 8300 foot mountain pass (13 miles of wich are 8% or steeper grade --Teton
> Pass Wyoming)
> and the powerstroke gets the win everytime...
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 12:30:40 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Pigeon Forge Report

Here's the Pigeon Forge F100 Supernationals report:

- - 31 list members showed up. One member came from New Zealand! That's
dedication!
- - Many photos taken! These will show up on the web site to arouse
a sense of jealousy (heh heh) in those who didn't attend. This
should increase the attendence next year! I took pictures that
represent every list catagory.
- - In the "I've died and gone to heaven" catagory: 427 SOHC, very rare,
beautiful sound (and very loud, you could hear it for a mile).
brrammmmm, brammmmmmm, brapppppp, brammm...... waaaaaa hoooooo!
- - Group photo was taken Saturday around 11. Most members where in it.
This will appear on the web site.
- - A new sense of direction, many of us sat down and talked about the
future of FTE. Expect us to be an "official club" soon (lists will
always be free). The future looks good.
- - I think those who attended will agree that it brought a real sense
of unity to our group.
- - Pat Ford, the show organizer, treated us extremely well. We had a
booth, inside (A/C!), right inside the front door. We had the best
location in the entire show. To those who have Pat's number, please
call him and thank him!
- - 350+ brochures given out!
- - Universal agreement from 61-79 list members who attended that Deacon
will be at next year's show, even if we have to tie him to the wing
of a plane! Deacon's presence was sorely missed!
- - Interest from vendors in sponsoring us.
- - We received an award for club participation! Hopefully this is
the first of many! I'm going to scan it in and put it on the
web site. Although it will hang on my wall.... we all deserve it!
- - We really are a first class group, it was really nice that many of
you were able to contribute to the "thank Pat Ford" fund. We had
a really nice engraved glass plaque made for Pat, using the 20th
F100 Supernationals t-shirt design for it with "From Ford Truck
Enthusiasts" on the bottom.
- - Many friendships solidified. The best part, to me, was being
able to finally meet so many of my friends for the first time.
A special thanks to those list members who've been lurkers
who read and are learning but hasn't been active posters. It's
its nice to know that you like us enough to travel to meet
everyone.
- - Parts, parts, parts.... and, you guess it, more parts.
- - Again, Deacon, you had to be there! I made sure I took many....

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