RE: FTE 61-79 - Oil problem

61-79-list-digest Friday, May 29 1998 Volume 02 : Number 319

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In this issue:

RE: FTE 61-79 - Oil problem
RE: FTE 61-79 - Cold miss
Re: FTE 61-79 - virtual motors
Re: FTE 61-79 - SWMBO
Re: FTE 61-79 - headers for f150 4x4 with 429
FTE 61-79 - system crash, lost email
RE: FTE 61-79 - Cold miss
Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 in 85 bronco
> Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 replacing an FE
RE: FTE 61-79 - 390 in 85 bronco
> FTE 61-79 - vapor lock definition
RE: FTE 61-79 - Cold miss
FTE 61-79 - headers for f150 4x4 with 429
Re: FTE 61-79 - vapor lock definition
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Clarification
Re: FTE 61-79 - 70 F100 S/B 2wd
FTE 61-79 - Manifolds for 460
FTE 61-79 - 460 offering
RE:FTE 61-79 - EFI on a '73 302
FTE 61-79 - FE timing question
Re: FTE 61-79 - EFI on a '73 302
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE timing question
Re: FTE 61-79 - virtual motors
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE timing question
FTE 61-79 - RE SWMBO
FTE 61-79 - RE Guage Help

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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 05:02:49 -0500
From: "Bear"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Oil problem

Ok then I will not worry about it. I was just making sure...
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Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Oil problem

> From: "Bear"
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Oil problem
> Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 03:08:08 -0500

> I have a 1978 F-150 with a 351 M and a C6 transmission. When I
> first start the motor I can here a ticking noise for about three
> seconds. It sounds like a low oil tick. I was wondering if that is

Sounds like the lifters to me. Only 3 seconds? I can only dream :-)
If you have good oil pressure at idle after warm up and no other
noises I'd say you're in pretty good shape :-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 05:04:10 -0500
From: "Bear"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Cold miss

Ok I will set up an appointment! thanks!

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Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Cold miss

> From: "Bear"
> To: "FTE"
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Cold miss
> Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 02:56:52 -0500
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> I have a 1978 F-150 with a 351 M. It seems that I have a miss when
> the motor is cold but when it is warm it is fine. The temp here is

You need to get someone to help you tune the carb and get all the
parts working right including the choke, idle mixture, accellerator
pump and gaskets etc.. You could have some valve lash problems but
that's highly unlikely.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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> Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 15:54:07 -0700
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - virtual motors

> pretty cool, I'll bet I can use it to help design all kinds of
> weird new junk for my F100. (-:

WHOA THERE STEVE! First you have to add the cam and the valves. We
won't be happy till we see what kind of valve clearances you can come
up with...........:-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 00:32:15 EDT
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - headers for f150 4x4 with 429

> i have a 78 ford f150 with a 429 pi,can anyone recommend an in
> expensive set of headers for this combo,the 29 or 60 was not offered
> in a f150,i have been told hooker makes a set,but they're 350.00
> plus,i'm looking for a set of 150- 200.00 headers.

I think my Walkers were about $120 but are just ordinary thin steel
and not especially good but they fit and they keep the exhaust gas
where it belongs. I wrapped mine with fiberglass wrap to protect the
starter and make them more efficient (theoretically). They fit very
tight to the engine but it's still very close to the steering box and
starter and just barely clears the passenger side frame rail so a
little bending may be needed to get it "just right" :-)

BTW, mine is 2wd, 4wd has some special considerations but as I recall
my headers were made for 4wd and still worked fine. I did have to
trim my home made engine stanchions to clear the bottom though so not
sure how they will fit with stock stanchions and L&L mounts etc..

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Subject: FTE 61-79 - system crash, lost email

I downloaded my email yesterday and my system crashed at the same time.
Two emails were lost. Could someone send me digest #315. Also I saw a
private email coming in just before the crash from someone named John.
Could you resend?

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> You need to get someone to help you tune the carb and get all the

Didn't mean to imply you couldn't do it yourself, it just sounded
like you weren't very familiar with carb tuning so a friend who is
would be a plus for sure. You can learn this from a book too and if
you have the ford service manual for your truck all the info is in
there and fairly easy to figure out. Don't waste money on the
chiltons or haynes manuals for this, get a carb specific book or
service manual set. If you plan to keep the truck for some time I
highly recommend the Helms service manual set. There is no manual
out there that can compete with it for pure accruate info. (not that
it's perfect) :-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 00:27:58 EDT
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 in 85 bronco
>
> i always like to go hog wild with a die grinder and a rotary
> file,deburing and polishing the crank,the rods,the lifter valley,the

This also eliminates many stress concentration areas and prevents
potential cracking as well :-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 08:21:18 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 replacing an FE

> From: "Melayne Arnold"
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 replacing an FE
> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 00:00:17 -0400

> the junk yards for a 460 "truck" manifold (they come straight
> down from the exhaust and hug the block more), these are fairly common but they do
> seem to be getting harder to find,

Excuse me if I'm wrong but the problem is the car manifold goes
straight down and gets pinched between the starter and frame which is
why it has to be notched, whereas the truck manifold exits the rear
at about a 30 degree angle which is just right to clear the starter
and exit over the bell housing etc..

Hard to find or impossible? New ones are $193, headers are $100 on
up so SWMBO can be placated by the cost comparison if you really
would rather have headers :-) (that's how I got away with it but
didn't tell her the custom exhaust was another $200 :-))

BTW, she just shrugs her shoulders and goes out and spends exactly
the same amount I do on something she wants and we go hungry for the
next week or two.......:-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 08:53:42 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 390 in 85 bronco
>
getting rid of all of the casting flash is definatly worth it on a street
engine. not polishing everything, but remove the casting flash and it is
prevented from removing itself someday and falling somewhere it shouldn't
be.

sleddog

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Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 in 85 bronco
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i always like to go hog wild with a die grinder and a rotary
file,deburing and polishing the crank,the rods,the lifter valley,the top of
the heads,any thing to make the oil flow back to the pan faster.its not
really
worth the efforts on a pure street engine,but it doesn't hurt either.

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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 08:08:03 -0500
From: "Bear"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Cold miss

I didn't take offense to that statement you are right I am not familiar with
it and I think if I tried I would have it more messed up than it is. :o) I
tried to do it myself on a 351 W that I had but some things are just easier
to pay to have done.
Where do I get a Helms service manual set and how much do they cost?

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Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Cold miss

> From: "Bear"
> Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Cold miss
> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 05:04:10 -0500

> Ok I will set up an appointment! thanks!
>
> You need to get someone to help you tune the carb and get all the

Didn't mean to imply you couldn't do it yourself, it just sounded
like you weren't very familiar with carb tuning so a friend who is
would be a plus for sure. You can learn this from a book too and if
you have the ford service manual for your truck all the info is in
there and fairly easy to figure out. Don't waste money on the
chiltons or haynes manuals for this, get a carb specific book or
service manual set. If you plan to keep the truck for some time I
highly recommend the Helms service manual set. There is no manual
out there that can compete with it for pure accruate info. (not that
it's perfect) :-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 08:16:46 -0500
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - headers for f150 4x4 with 429

>i have a 78 ford f150 with a 429 pi,can anyone recommend an in expensive set
>of headers for this combo,the 29 or 60 was not offered in a f150,i have been
>told hooker makes a set,but they're 350.00 plus,i'm looking for a set of
150- >200.00 headers.
>
While I can't direct you to an inexpensive set of headers, I can tell you
that the 460 WAS available in the F150 thru 1979. I had a good friend in
high school who's Dad bought a brand new '79 F150 XLT Lariat at Bullock
Ford in Corrigan, Texas, which was factory equipped with the 460. Came
right off the lot. But even if it wasn't, headers for an F250/460 would
work just fine.
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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:18:46 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - vapor lock definition

> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 08:03:33 -0500
> From: John Strauss
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - vapor lock definition

> I don't think it's that simple. A heat sink only works when the
> heat is being produced internally and wants to get out. The problem
> with the metal fuel line is that the heat is coming from an
> external source. A heat sink, by it's definition, would make the
> problem WORSE by providing more area for the heat to be absorbed.
> It has something to do with it being wood because plastic ones don't
> work.

I agree, it's not about heat sinking but may be related. Perhaps
it's the water saturation capacity wood naturally has and as the
stored water evaporates it cools the wood which then absorbs more of
the heat from the line which then...........don't know but sounds
feaseable to me. Another thing it does is damp vibration but I don't
think vapor lock is typically associated with vibration???

I saw one once that must have had 20 - 30 clothes pins on it and the
guy swore by it. Seems to me there are more elegant ways to
eliminate this problem (and more reliable, scientiifc, etc..)

I'm running hard lines (no rubber at all) from the pump to the carb,
very close to the block and intake and have had no problems with
vapor lock but do have some pretty serious percolation with the 400.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 ....

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