FTE 61-79 - Re: California Gathering

61-79-list-digest Wednesday, May 27 1998 Volume 02 : Number 312

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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Re: California Gathering
Re: FTE 61-79 - Carbs
Re: FTE 61-79 - Brake light update
Re: FTE 61-79 - engine pulling
FTE 61-79 - Stu 4100 info, email, brakes
> FTE 61-79 - RE Paydirt
Re: FTE 61-79 - Carbs
RE: FTE 61-79 - silliness..
Re: FTE 61-79 - Straying topics
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE Paydirt
FTE 61-79 - Carbs
FTE 61-79 - 68 F-250
FTE 61-79 - Steering Wheels
> FTE 61-79 - engine pulling
FTE 61-79 - Oil Drain Plug 68 F-250
FTE 61-79 - More 351M questions
Re: FTE 61-79 - Oil Drain Plug 68 F-250
FTE 61-79 - Engine Mounts To Put A 302 in A 66 6 Cyl
FTE 61-79 - cooling
RE: FTE 61-79 - Carbs
Re: FTE 61-79 - Carbs
FTE 61-79 - 73 steering wheel
> FTE 61-79 - origin of "redneck"
FTE 61-79 - 68 F-250
Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine Mounts To Put A 302 in A 66 6 Cyl
FTE 61-79 - 160 degree t-stats and radials
Re: FTE 61-79 - 160 degree t-stats and radials
FTE 61-79 - Brazilian Fords/1957-1967 Ford Pickups

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 09:10:41 -0700
From: Marv Miller
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: California Gathering

"Dean & Liz Becker" wrote:
Suggestion on California Get Together
> To the Person who is organizing the CA get together, Mary Miller?

"Tain't me. (No "tail" on the "V").
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 12:21:09 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Carbs

> From: "John Miller"
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Carbs
> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 09:55:45 -0400

> I have tuned allot of vehicles in the last 21 years and have never
> seen a combo you are speaking of. If someone has proof of this ever
> being factory installed please post your reference. I think you are
> thinking of a Thermoquad, which does appear similar and even is
> almost the same in operation. Baked potato suit on and ready.. :)

I saw it in a catalog listing for one of the muscle cars as a direct
stock replacement but can't remember which model or year it was.
Seems like it was 68 or 69 but might have been 71 not sure.

While I would never put a chevy 14 bolt in my ford or a chevy engine
> because ford has adequate or superior parts for each of those I have
to say that there are no ford carbs that equal the Rochester in
function or tunability so would not hesitate to use one on any car I
own. OTOH, if ford had seen fit to make their spread bore on the
same bolt pattern as the Thero Quad, Rochester and Holley 4165/75 and
had used tunable parts such as replaceable jets, metering rods etc. I
wouldn't even consider using anything else but ford fell on it's face
in that regard and every time I use a Rochester on my ford I'm
slapping thier collective hand for SCREWING UP

#$%#

#$%! :-)

I once told a union rep that if ford didn't make a vehicle I wanted
for a certain task I would readily buy a TOYOTA! He was not amused
but my argument is that I should not have to use something that
doesn't EXACTLY meet my needs if it's out there made by someone else,
it's my money after all. He still wasn't convinced but he felt
perfeclty fine about me buying a CHEVY rather than a Ford because at
least it was American made..........what an utterly rediculous
argument! No ford worker benifitted in ANY WAY by the purchase of a
chevy and don't bother to reply to this because my ears are plugged
on this issue, sorry. Chevy is no less a competitor and stealer of
my lively hood than Toyota, and again don't bother, my mind is closed
on this issue but you are free to have your own opinion.

If ford had made dirt bikes in 74 I would have bought a ford dirt
bike instead of a Suzuki.............

The above sentiment is one reason I stick to old trucks. At least
for the time being I can put any engine, configured in any manner I
wish using any tires I wish with interior controls in any
configuration I wish and I cannot buy this off the dealer lot at any
price, exactly as I want it. IOW, the truck I want does not exist
untill I make it happen myself so I stay with the old ones :-) And
if it gets a scratch, so what? :-) My daughter found a depression in
the plastic moulding on her front bumper when washing it the other
day and I thought I might have to call 911.........:-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 11:31:11 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - engine pulling

> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 08:44:18 -0600
> From: Jamey Moss
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - engine pulling

> My question is whether I should pull the engine separate from the
> transmission (like all the books and manuals I've read) or leave the
> two attached and pull them as a unit (as a co-worker suggested). Is
> there any reason that I shouldn't pull them out as a unit other than

You may have to take a few more parts out of the way to get it out in
one piece and on the ground the tail shaft of the tranny my hit the
ground before you can clear the front of the radiator frame. If you
have the grill and top of the radiator frame off already then it's a
piece of cake but some trucks have solid frames which cannot be taken
apart.

You should be able to get the top two bolts out from the top and the
others are pretty easy from the bottom. Leave the torque converter
on the tranny temporarily til the engine is out and when you store
the tranny put door shims under it to support the weight or store it
separately and gently stuff clean rags in the input shaft seal
(carefully). Also get some mechanic's wire to tie the front of the
tranny up while you pull the engine.

When you pull them together all the tranny fluid will drain out the
tail shaft if you don't have a spare drive shaft slip yoke and also
out the speedo gear hole if not plugged.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Subject: FTE 61-79 - Stu 4100 info, email, brakes
>
Stu I have an article about the 4100 in an issue of Mustang Monthly. It
was written by the folks at Pony Carburetor and is very good with lots of
info. If you would like I can scan and sent it to you.

As to your email problem if you can get access to a computer with a modem
you can get email without an isp. Juno is a free email service that does
not need internet connection. The way it is designed you use their
software to connect to their computer and download your email, then read
your email offline. You would have to register an email address with them
that ends with juno.com. They have access number that covers 400 cities
so no long distance calls are necessary. Even though my isp is att I use
juno for this list email because of ease of use. It is a very well
written program but the only downside is all the advertisements
(necessary to pay for the service.)

Also I would like to pass along this little bit of info. I went to Auto
Zone to get wheel cylinder rebuild kits for the rear brakes on my 1977
F150. I also needed to have the drums measured to see if they could be
turned. The wheel cylinder kits were $3.99 but a new cylinder complete
with everything was only $8.99! What a deal! I decided to get the new
units so when the counter guy brought them to me I noticed something very
interesting. The left wheel cylinder is made in China and the right made
in Italy. There were differences in the manufacture of both units but it
should not matter since the bore diameter is the same. What's my point?
Nothing really I just thought it was interesting. Also the drums I had to
buy were from Canada.

Jon E. Purut
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 10:31:59 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE Paydirt

Ken,
What is a headlight "door"? I don't recall seeing any covers on the
67-72 models. Is there a picture of one on the pictorial page on the
web?

Tom H.

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 08:55:47 -0400
From: am14

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Subject: FTE 61-79 - Paydirt

Ken writes: >>Went to a junkyard on Saturday and hit pay dirt! 7
(maybe
9) 67-72 F100s > in various states. I'm going back to get an A/C unit,
chrome drip rail, > windshield and the chrome around it, one headlight
"door", steering wheel, > one taillight bezel, 4 bbl Holley and more.
Anyone in need of parts, > let me know, I'll have some for sale soon!

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 10:46:22 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Carbs

Well said Gary. In America we have the right to choose, that's what makes
it America. We also have the right to have and express whatever opinion we
want...see above.

I've been a blue oval guy for about 14 years but prior to that when I
bought my first brand new car in 1984 the big 3 didn't make a car in my
price range that was worth the powder to blow it to h*ll. I bought Japanese
because I could get a quality product for a good price. I have friends who
still swear by foreign iron/steel/aluminum.

I found that after about 87-88 the big 3 got the message and Ford put out
the best American iron on the market. They still do. I drive rental cars
more than I do my own and so I get to drive allot of different vehicles.
The fit & finish and driveability on Henry's stuff is light years ahead of
GM and Chrysler.

Bottom line, consumers will vote with their pocket book everytime. Why else
do we have that moron in the whitehouse. Sorry...that's another subject.

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> From: Gary, 78 BBB
> To: 61-79-list

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> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Carbs
> Date: Wednesday, May 27, 1998 5:21 AM
>
> I once told a union rep that if ford didn't make a vehicle I wanted
> for a certain task I would readily buy a TOYOTA! He was not amused
> but my argument is that I should not have to use something that
> doesn't EXACTLY meet my needs if it's out there made by someone else,
> it's my money after all. He still wasn't convinced but he felt
> perfeclty fine about me buying a CHEVY rather than a Ford because at
> least it was American made..........what an utterly rediculous
> argument! No ford worker benifitted in ANY WAY by the purchase of a
> chevy and don't bother to reply to this because my ears are plugged
> on this issue, sorry. Chevy is no less a competitor and stealer of
> my lively hood than Toyota, and again don't bother, my mind is closed
> on this issue but you are free to have your own opinion.

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 10:49:20 -0700
From: "Gillespie, John D."
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - silliness..

Hey Steve now THAT is definitely FTE relevant and I do like it. Besides how
else are we going learn all these new fangled computer programs.

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 11:59:25 -0600
From: Ryan Dorman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Straying topics

(head humbley bowed) Yes sir, sorry I'll try not to do it
again....*BCG*(big cheezy grin)
(sorry Ken I couldn't resist)
Ken Payne wrote:

> Don't take this as a scolding, its just a friendly reminder.
> I'm just as guilty as anyone else..... no apologies needed.
>
> We're really straying off topic, especially with the redneck
> thread. This list is meant to be a lot of fun and a good place
> to get to know fellow Ford fans but we need to try to stay
> focused on FTE content.
>
> Ken Payne, List Tyrant

I can't believe how quick the thread went from fte to rant...

FTE content:
I'm getting ready to swap the 300 IL6 out of my 85 Bronco for a 68 390,
does any1 know if there is a Reasonably priced motor mount kit available,
or do I have to build my own as usual??? (I would rather spend a day
building motor mounts than pay $100+ for pre-fab.. cheap aint I....)
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85 Bronco 300 IL6 4x4
97 F-150 4.6 sb ext cab 4x4
(and several others in progress)
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 13:59:58 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE Paydirt

At 10:31 AM 5/27/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Ken,
>What is a headlight "door"? I don't recall seeing any covers on the
>67-72 models. Is there a picture of one on the pictorial page on the
>web?
>
>Tom H.
>

The aluminum or painted steel bezel around the headlight. Ford's
term for them is a "door". Check my 67 (red truck) in the pictorial
for a close view).

Ken

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 13:04:28 -0500
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Carbs

>Well it was me that said I wouldn't mount one on my Fords, I respect your
>ways of using what works but I just like to use all FoMoCo parts. There is
>one thing I want to take you to task about though. I think you may be
>thinking of another carb which maybe in someways resembles a Rochester
>Quadrejet. I don't think you would have ever seen a G.M product on a ford,
>especially the T-bird or a CJ engine. I have tuned allot of vehicles in the
>last 21 years and have never seen a combo you are speaking of. If someone
>has proof of this ever being factory installed please post your reference.
>I think you are thinking of a Thermoquad, which does appear similar and
>even is almost the same in operation. Baked potato suit on and ready.. :)
>
Sorry but you will need to start looking at more early-mid 70s Fords. I
have personally seen a 429 with a factory Q-Jet. Also many big Fords and
especially Lincolns/Mercurys used the GM (Frigidaire) axial A/C compressor
and GM (Saginaw) power steering pumps. For you trivia guys, the first
automatic transmissions used in FoMoCo cars was the GM Hydra-Matic used in
early 50s Lincolns. Ford has used GM parts here and there for many
decades. However, I don't recall GM ever using any regular production Ford
parts - anybody? This probably is due to the corporate structures (just
about everything Ford is Ford, whereas GM has all those semi-autonomous
divisions like Fridgidaire, Delco, Morraine, et al).
_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, *_} jstrauss

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